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哈佛大学招生歧视亚裔 华人出现了不同声音

发布于: 2017/11/26  6:13 pm 更新于: 2017/11/29, 1:37 am

近日,美国司法部正在积极调查哈佛大学招生过程的种族歧视问题,司法部民权司指责哈佛大学阻挠司法部的调查,并扬言如果学校没有在12月1日的期限前提供相关资料给司法部,将提出诉讼,这一新闻在美国的华人中沸沸扬扬。

据新华国际报道,哈佛大学等一些美国名校在招生过程中以“平权法案”为由,通过大幅提高录取标准丶设置“种族配额”等方式,将不少优秀的亚裔学生挡在门外。

一些美国高校针对亚裔学生的SAT分数线比非洲裔高出400多分。目前,SAT考试满分为1600分,和2005年之前相同。2005至2015年间,满分为2400分。



《华盛顿邮报》报道,美国司法部正调查哈佛大学涉嫌在招生过程中歧视亚裔考生的指控。但哈佛大学方面没有配合调查,其律师声称招生方式已获得联邦法院认可。

歧视亚裔学生

其实,一些美国名校在招生时歧视亚裔学生已不是秘密。

2015年5月,包括华裔丶印度裔等亚裔团体指责哈佛大学及其他常青藤名校在招生时歧视亚裔学生,设置种族配额,把合格及高分的亚裔学生拒之门外,要求美国政府调查哈佛大学等学校的招生程序。

亚裔团体要求哈佛大学公开招生文件和记录,证明没有为难亚裔学生。



非盈利性组织美国亚裔教育联盟主席赵宇空接受新华社记者采访时说,美国名校招生政策对亚裔不公平体现在针对亚裔的高录取标准丶存在种族偏见和使用“种族配额”。

普林斯顿大学一项研究发现,亚裔学生的SAT成绩需要比白人高出140分,比拉美裔高270分,比非洲裔高450分才能进入美国一流大学,超高的分数线被称为“亚裔税”。



有调查发现,从1995年到2014年,尽管亚裔大学入学年龄人口增加了一倍,常青藤联盟亚裔本科入学率基本持平。
哈佛大学歧视亚裔问题终于受到美国政府关注,司法部正在就此进行调查。

不配合调查

哈佛大学并没有配合司法部对其进行的调查。美国司法部说,哈佛大学未在11月3日截止日之前提交有关招生程序和政策的文件。

英国《每日邮报》援引美国司法部官员的话报道,司法部“别无选择,只能认定哈佛大学违反民权法第六条”。

美国民权法第六条规定,任何人在美国不得因种族丶肤色或出生地而受到任何接受联邦财政资助的项目或活动的歧视。

美国司法部指责哈佛大学不配合调查,“试图逃避‘第六条’的责任”。

尽管调查遇到困难,司法部坚持要求哈佛大学提交招生文件。如果12月1日前哈佛大学仍未提交,司法部可能会提起诉讼。

《华尔街日报》援引司法部一名发言人的话说,司法部严肃对待任何可能侵犯个人民事和宪法权利的行为。

自认为没问题

哈佛大学发言人表示,哈佛大学将履行民权法第六条规定的义务,但是需要保护学生和申请人的个人隐私。

哈佛大学律师代表赛斯·韦克斯曼此前表示,美国司法部对哈佛大学展开的调查“不合常规”。今年10月,韦克斯曼在给司法部官员的信中说,哈佛大学希望“澄清司法部决定的权威性和合理性”。

韦克斯曼说,哈佛大学的招生方式已经获得联邦法院认可。2016年6月,美国最高法院裁定得克萨斯大学将种族作为招生因素的规定合法。

有分析认为,这是为哈佛大学等高校采取的“综合性考察”录取方式“亮绿灯”,“综合性考察”将种族作为录取决定因素之一。

哈佛大学此前表示,学校致力于接收来自不同阶层的学生,有助于学生成为“多元化社会的领导者”。

侨报网此前报道了哈佛大学2021届新生入校新生的各项数据:

本届新生亚裔占23.8%,少于去年的26.6%。白人占据52.1%丶非裔占11.4%丶拉美裔占10.2%丶原住民和太平洋岛民分别占据1.7%和0.8%。

滥用“平权法案”

哈佛大学在招生过程中歧视亚裔的行为,使得美国高校在招生过程中滥用“平权法案”的问题再次受到关注。

赵宇空说,这种歧视性现象的根源在于美国某些政客不愿直接面对和解决有些社区经济环境恶化的现状以及现行教育体制的僵化,因而导致的某些少数族裔中小学教育水平落后。

为了在高校招生中寻求“平衡”,平权法被滥用,许多亚裔学生成了替罪羊,他们通往美国名校的道路也越来越窄。

美国自20世纪60年代兴起民权运动,催生出一系列“平权法案”。“平权法案”规定在大学招生丶政府招聘等方面照顾少数族裔,以消除此前因种族歧视造成的社会不平等。

2003年,联邦最高法裁定,“平权法案”只有在各族裔录取人数没有规定固定“配额”的情况下才合法,但允许学校将种族作为“整体考量申请者”的一部分。

“平权法案”名为“平权”,实际上却造成新的“不平等”。一些国外网友也纷纷表达了不满。

赵宇空说,亚裔人口在过去20年里增加了一倍以上,然而,这些歧视,尤其是种族配额,直接导致亚裔学生与亚裔学生在一个固定名额内残酷竞争,学习负担过重,有的甚至产生了抑郁症和自杀现象。

“很多品学兼优的学生不能进入一流大学学习。”

对此,美国的华人们表达了自己的看法。

支持起诉者:

老牌元老:是该查一查。好歹也让大家见识一下那400多分的差别是怎样被老黑的杰出才能扳回的。

规则定好了,大家也就输得心服口服了。

贪农大狼:哈佛的所作所为一定有其考虑和利益所在, 但是问题的关键是它的行为有没有违法, 这也是司法部要调查它的原因。这和我们亚裔是否应该理解同情哈佛的行为是两回事。即使合情合理的事也不一定总是合法。

lalagua:以后应该用号码代替姓名来录取,所看的分数跟其他各项才能而不是族裔。

燕超尘:录取人才肯定应该有统一明确的标准,如果觉得现行的考试制度和方法不能招收到他们需要的人才,应该对考试制度和方法进行改革,而不是对不同的人用不同的标准,否则可以认为是歧视。

janeparisli:这是绝对的种族歧视。为什么亚裔要更高的分才能进?本来亚裔的社会资源就已经少了,分数高都是人家自己争取来的,凭什么要比白人分数高才能进?

这里居然还有亚裔不支持亚裔的。

nanxun_ :那些针对哈佛的诉讼并不是只针对哈佛或者常春藤大学,而是针对整个美国大学教育甚至以后的企业就业,为亚裔尤其是华裔争得一个公平。如果哈佛的这种行为得到广泛认可,很快就会蔓延到它行业领域,就如亚裔细分一样。那些觉得哈佛公平无比的,因为自己的孩子已经进了哈佛的家长们,难道你以为你的孩子进了保险箱?

支持哈佛录取标准者:

Goldwang:若要SAT分数高,通过反复的做真题,上新东方类似的补习班,还有早早准备,能提高Sat分数100-200分,这样出来的Sat分数高低能反映学生的才能吗?既然不能,Sat分数亚裔与非州裔差400分,就说有歧视,这个道理说不过去。哈佛当然有一套自己的录取标准对所有种族都一样,但不是Sat分数,钢琴比赛,义工,club之类的东西,人家要是真正有leadership,真正有创新能力,真正未来能捐巨款的人才。 哈佛现有被录取的亚裔比别的种族分数都高很多,这些哈佛亚裔应该比别的种族在今后的职业场上成功得多,捐款得多,事实是这样的吗?我想哈佛有这个数据。他们会根据这些数据会产生自己的录取标准。

魔羯鼠养猫 :要是凭分数录学生,估计Top 20里全是凭题海战术,琢磨应试技巧得高分的学生了。

自己深受国内高考啥也不干只扣书本之苦,现在还要试着劲儿的把美国也变成那样,有病啊!

Gingerflower:哈佛录取标准从来都不是按分数线,学校是要面试学生的,这就是证据,他们录取标准是综合性。用分数线起诉是赢不了的。

在美国,从小学到高中,书呆子在学校都是不被喜欢的,都是被其他孩子歧视的。

不是还有25%亚裔被录取吗,说明有一部分亚裔还是有高EQ的,有领导才能的。

没被录取的学生家长,应该好好反省,自己的孩子是不是高IQ,低EQ的书呆子,是不是饭来张口,衣来伸手的巨婴。
路人2017:如果谁智商高,分数高,就录取谁,就培养谁,那这个世界逻辑机会是属于这些人的,但实际上还有很多中等智商,低智商……他们也需要生存,也需要培养,所以不可以单靠分数,再说,分数高不见得能力强,人品好。所以对一个人应各方面考量。

zizifan:别拿种族歧视来说事。没被哈佛录取,原因有二:

1.没同种族的亚裔优秀,所以没被哈佛录取。

2.没有黑墨优秀,所以所以没被哈佛录取。你考试分有可能比被录取的黑墨高,可你的综合分一定比被录取的黑墨低。千万不要认为你的智商比哈佛录取官高。

哈佛是培养顶尖人才的地方,不是那块料,那自然是不被录取的。好高骛远不可取!找对自己的位置,快乐的生活吧。

哈佛之所以常盛不衰,就是因为它一贯坚持自己的录取标准。

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发布于: 2017/11/26  9:59 pm

哈佛大学的描述看看双方的回应做比较。
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/11/7/harvard-admissions-lawsuit-explainer/
The Harvard Admissions Lawsuit, Explained

Here is what you need to know about the
affirmative action lawsuit against Harvard.


UPDATED: November 7, 2016, at 11:05 a.m.
For two years, Harvard’s admissions policies have been at
the center of an ongoing lawsuit alleging race-based discrimination
against Asian American applicants. The case was put on hold in advance
of a Supreme Court ruling on the affirmative action case Fisher vs. The
University of Texas at Austin. Now that the Court upheld that admissions
policy over the summer, Harvard’s case is again moving forward.
Harvard moved to dismiss the case entirely, just weeks after the court
ordered the University to release six years of undergraduate admissions
data for use in the lawsuit. More recently, a group of current and prospective
Harvard College students filed an amicus brief for the lawsuit in support of
Harvard’s race-conscious affirmative action policies.
Though the Supreme Court over the summer upheld
race-conscious admissions policies, the plaintiffs in this case continue
to fight against Harvard’s use of affirmative action. While the odds
that the presiding court will rule against Harvard’s use of
race-conscious policies are low, the case could set precedent for access
to admissions data during litigation.
Here’s who is involved, what has happened so far, and what could come next.

What is the suit alleging?
In Nov. 2014, the anti-affirmative action group Students for Fair Admissions
filed a complaint alleging that Harvard is “employing racially and ethnically
discriminatory policies and procedures in administering the
undergraduate admissions program.”
SFFA’s complaint against Harvard claims that it uses racial
“quotas” and “racial balancing” in the undergraduate admissions
process, which, SFFA argues, disadvantages Asian American applicants and
violates Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
In the 120-page complaint, SFFA alleges that “Harvard uses
‘holistic’ admissions to disguise the fact that it holds Asian Americans
to a far higher standard than other students and essentially forces
them to compete against each other for admission.”
The group cites the relatively constant rate of Asian
American acceptances to Harvard over the past decade as a part of the
basis for the group’s claims that the College uses “racial balancing.”
Additionally, the group claims more generally that racial
preferences are never justified in the admissions process despite
previous Supreme Court rulings upholding the practice. “The Supreme
Court’s jurisprudence in this area has been built on mistakes of fact
and law,” the organization wrote.
Harvard responded to the suit with a letter
in February 2015, denying the allegations of racial discrimination and
defending its “holistic” admissions process. Harvard administrators,
including University President Drew G. Faust, have continuously spoken
out in support of the University’s policies.
Speaking at Memorial Church’s morning prayers
in September 2015, Faust said, “Our vigorous defense of our procedures
and of the kind of educational experience they are intended to create
will cause us to speak frequently and forcefully about the importance of
diversity in the months to come.”

Who is behind Students for Fair Admissions?

The plaintiff in the lawsuit, Students for Fair Admissions,
is a nonprofit organization formed to “promote and protect the right of
the public to be free from discrimination on the basis of race in
higher education admissions,” according to the group’s complaint.
Edward Blum serves as the group’s president. He is also the
president of the Project on Fair Representation, another litigious
nonprofit that has been involved in admissions lawsuits with other
universities, including the Fisher case.
The plaintiff in that case, Abigail Fisher, was listed as
SFFA’s secretary in the group’s 2013 tax exemption request, while her
father was listed as the organization’s treasurer. According to the
organization’s articles of incorporation included in their 2013
exemption request, SFFA “has no members” despite calling itself a
“membership group of more than 20,000 students, parents, others” on its
website.
An unnamed Asian American applicant who was denied
admission to Harvard in 2014 is also listed in the original complaint as
one of SFFA’s members and a plaintiff in the lawsuit. The complaint
details that the applicant is a first-generation college student and
claims that the applicant “was denied the opportunity to compete for
admission to Harvard on equal footing with other applicants.”
Blum was behind several websites
launched in 2014 seeking students who claim they were denied admission
to Harvard, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and the
University of Wisconsin-Madison because of their race. Blum and his
various organizations are engaged in other ongoing lawsuits—the Project
on Fair Representation filed a complaint against UNC Chapel Hill’s admissions
policies in November 2014, as well.

What has happened so far?
Since SFFA filed the complaint, a host of outside groups
have sought to influence the court’s decision. In the meantime, Harvard
and SFFA have battled for access to each other’s internal information in
the discovery process.
A group of prospective and current Harvard students
represented by the nonprofit pro bono legal group Lawyers’ Committee for
Civil Rights and Economic Justice motioned in April 2015 to intervene in the
ongoing lawsuit in support of Harvard. In their motion, the students defended
Harvard’s consideration of diversity in assembling its admittance pool.
While a panel of judges ultimately denied the group’s intervention
in December 2015, the judges did grant the students amicus status,
which allowed them to submit briefs and participate in oral arguments in
court. In May 2015, the suit’s presiding judge ruled that both
sides would have a 10- to 12-month discovery process during which they
could gather information and experts for use in court. Legal counsel for
SFFA requested that the organization have access to Harvard admissions
data, such as applicant names, personal essays, and “comments from alumni
interviewers.” The judge did not grant SFFA access to this information.
Also in May 2015, a collection of 64 Asian American groups filed a complaint
against Harvard with the U.S. Departments of Education and Justice. The
complaint cited the Students for Fair Admissions lawsuit and called for
a federal investigation into what they claim is the College’s “unlawful
use of race” during the admissions process.
Just a couple months into discovery, Harvard’s legal counsel requested in
the summer of 2015 that the court delay the lawsuit
in anticipation of the Supreme Court ruling on Fisher vs. Texas and the
precedent it would set for affirmative action. The case was pending for
nearly a year until the Court’s ruling in June 2016.

How is this lawsuit connected to Fisher vs. Texas?
Harvard has been involved in the Fisher case since November 2015, when
the University filed an amicus brief in support of the UT Austin’s use of
race-conscious admissions policies to create a diverse student body,
writing that a diverse student population is “a compelling interest that
justifies race-conscious admissions in higher education.”
Harvard Law School Dean Martha L. Minow also filed an amicus brief
in conjunction with her legal counsel and Yale Law School Dean Robert
C. Post ’69 last November in support of UT Austin. They wrote that a
ruling against using race as one factor in a “holistic” admissions
process would have “devastating” effects.
The Supreme Court ruled 4-3 in support of UT Austin and its use of
race-conscious admissions policies on June 23, 2016. Justice Anthony
M. Kennedy said in his opinion after the decision that while affirmative
action and other race-conscious policies can be constitutional, universities
have an “ongoing obligation to engage in constant deliberation and continued
reflection” on their policies and that such policies must be able to
withstand “strict scrutiny.”
Harvard administrators celebrated the decision, and legal
counsel for SFFA and the University met to discuss the ruling and the
status of the pending lawsuit in July.

What has happened recently?
Following the status conference in July, Student for Fair
Admissions’ legal counsel filed a letter requesting the release of eight
years of admissions data from Harvard for use in discovery. Harvard
filed a letter in response, arguing that releasing that much data would
be both excessive and would infringe on privacy.
The presiding judge ordered in early September
that Harvard must provide six cycles of admissions data, including
student files, from the 2009-2010 admissions cycle through to the
2014-2015 cycle. The order also requires Harvard to provide reports from
any internal or external investigations regarding alleged
discrimination against Asian Americans.
In late September, Harvard’s legal counsel filed two motions,
one to dismiss the case entirely and another to dismiss two counts of
SFFA’s original complaint. Harvard argues that SFFA does not have the
legal grounds to represent its members because it “cannot demonstrate
that its members control the organization and that it genuinely
represents them.” SFFA responded with a letter asking the court to
refrain from judgment on the new motions on the grounds that they are
“procedurally improper.”
Then, in mid-October, Harvard notified the hundreds of thousands of students
who applied to the College in that time frame that it will share their
application data with SFFA beginning on Oct. 28, omitting their names
and Social Security numbers.
Later in October, current and prospective College students filed an amicus brief
supporting Harvard's race-conscious affirmative action policies.

What’s next?
According to the court-set agenda, the discovery process
could continue until 2018. The plaintiff and defendant would then have
the opportunity to file motions to dispose the case and any resulting
opposition and reply briefs.
While under no obligation to do so, the presiding judge
could rule on Harvard’s most recent motions before then, causing the
timeline of the case to change or even for the case to end.
Harvard’s release of admissions data, scheduled to have
started last week, could also affect the pace of the suit, as well as
set a precedent for the use of collegiate admissions data in lawsuits,
according to Peter F. Lake ’81, a professor at the Stetson University
College of Law.
“I think that the generalized attack on race-conscious
admissions as being unlawful is now essentially over for this
generation,” he said. “I think we are going to see courts looking more
at what’s happening inside the the inner sanctum of the admissions
process.”

CORRECTION: November 7. 2016

A previous version of this article incorrectly indicated
that the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on the case Fisher vs. Texas. In fact,
it ruled 4-3; Justice Elena Kagan recused herself from the case.

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发布于: 2017/11/26  10:03 pm

你需要记住你想挑选最好的学校
学校也想为他们挑选最合适的申请人。
亚裔,白人,西裔,非裔每个组学校
会选最适合的学生。亚裔会念书
好成绩的人选太多了不罕见
激烈的竞争自然要求更高。
亚裔会念书但是其他族裔
有自己的天赋。今天可以进入
顶尖的学校不只是会念书
高SAT得分会演奏乐器和
做些志愿者工作。你需要区分自己从其他
申请人让自己脱颖而出。林书豪例子
他是华人不仅会念书并且是个优秀的
篮球运动员。哈佛大学招收了他因为他
能文能武。每场比赛他可以帮哈佛大学挣
多少钱与大型体育学校比赛。可能是数百万美元。
白人,西裔,非裔他们的标准可能不是会念书
但更注重运动或其他标准。每组标准当然是不同的。
假如会念书高SAT得分是唯一的标准那不是整个
学校只剩亚裔?同样的假如会打棒球还是美式足球
是唯一的标准那不是整个学校的亚裔学生会大大
减少?如果能文能武的林书豪
不能考上哈佛大学那就有可能是招生歧视行为。
相似如果不会念书不擅长运动的白人,西裔,非裔
可以被哈佛大学接受那就有可能是招生歧视行为。
这个是有但不是因为招生歧视行为是因为
幕后学生家人认识里面的人还是家长是校友
孩子优先通过金钱捐赠进入学校。那不是
歧视行为那是裙带关系nepotism。

借用肯尼迪总统的话稍作更改:
Ask not what your school
can do for you, ask what
you can do for your school!

Trump is going after affirmative action
but that's not the problem with college
admissions—this is

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White Students’ Unfair Advantage in Admissions
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

How They Really Get In
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发布于: 2017/11/29  1:37 am

国内高考不也是,不稀奇。

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